Lady Masquerade
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Look into my eyes. Do you see who I see?
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Post by Lady Masquerade on Jan 4, 2010 18:46:41 GMT -5
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Post by rjrock85 on Jan 4, 2010 20:20:57 GMT -5
Old picture is old. True as it may be
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Post by reigneer on Jan 5, 2010 0:38:27 GMT -5
I would like to stand up for twilight. But that would involve me doing much lying and I hate lying for any reason. So I can't. Besides, Interview with a Vampire and the rest of the Ann Rice series beat the shit outta Twilight. Pity she found religion.
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Post by Drozgul on Jan 5, 2010 4:40:06 GMT -5
I would also make a stand for Twilight, simply because I love to argue. But it just has too many flaws. And let's face it, Gamer girls don't think like most girls, so even here I'd see no point.
The vampires in Twilight are basically a MacGuffin. Something to focus on while you read a story about the empty shell that is some random pathetic chick in need of someone to give a crap about her converting oxygen to CO2.
She is portrayed in the movie as attractive, but is still offensive as a snorting lifeless piece of trash, searching for place in the world. How are you different from all the Emo cutters? Oh, right, your mommy didn't even buy you razors. How lame.
The cover viewed above as a pair of pale hands gently holding onto a pile of very neat shit is even a little too pleasant to support the pinion that its a bad series. I don't even care if there IS or COULD BE a story. I can't even count the number of people who have asked me to take an interest in it.
There is one clear and true nature to my argument. Vampires, Werewolves, and other supernatural beings are Monsters. They may appear beautiful to overcome you, or sway you with smooth speech to seduce you, and you may even tell yourself that these things can be "sexy" in their own way. Power, Lust, Deceit, Corruption, Might, Awe...these are symbols of different forms of "sexiness" and its easy to understand where it derives from. But let's be clear, if you were being fed from, mind controlled, enslaved, or otherwise manipulated, you would see a Monster for what it was, and scream inside as you bed with it night after night through your own lack of willpower to run from it, to fight it, to even understand it.
Still think Monsters are sexy? Rawr!
I will give Twilight one Merit, it is a hot selling market. Let me remind you of why. There are a TON of women out there who are empty lost shells who need something dangerous to wake up their lack of love for life. That makes plenty sense. And the failing economy needs their husbands' hard earned money to keep moving forward, so I will not discourage people to buy it, just please, for the love of all things decent, don't share it! Remember, its an economic thing, and if your books are off your shelf, what will you read to match your brand new Edward panties?
Have fun kids!
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Post by labael on Jan 5, 2010 16:26:42 GMT -5
I can not deny most of the above, but I saw New Moon and was fairly impressed. The movie wasn't horrible in fact I found it enjoyable. I have yet see the first movie but I am not beyond watching it.
Now I will remind you that the "good vampire" is nothing new. They can be found in the Buffy series, Ever Knight, and recently there is a "good vampire" series on SyFy called Moonlight. Not even to mention the vampires Blood Rayne and Underworld Chick. lol.
Now lets take a crack at werewolves. There are numerous good werewolves in fact the characters that are played in the werewolf games are more hero than monster. In movies we have Teen Wolf, Van Hielsing (short period), and well that all I can think of. In books, on series co-written by Petter Straub and Stephen King has a good werewolf character.
Are they still monsters? Yes. Are humans monsters? Yes.
Now back to my view on New Moon. The plot was interesting. This group of vampires have a pact with the werewolves. If the vamps suck any person's blood in the territory pact is broken. There is a plot of vampire v.s. werewolf, vampire v.s. human, werewolf v.s. law enforcement, werewolf v.s. werewolf, vampire v.s. vampire, and vampire v.s. mascaraed. And of course an Emo human and Emo vampire plot line here too, which almost gets emo vamp's head ripped of by their worlds equivalent to a Prince.
Sparkling vampire was the worst thing about the movie. I busted up laughing as soon as I saw it. . .the two times it happened. For the most part the evil vampire follow most of the normal rules. . .though I did see them in the daylight I think.
By the way, the vampire series on SyFy had their vamps in the daylight as well and many of us still liked it. I found it enjoyable but found annoyance over that.
It's a different take on vampires. I found the movie enjoyable and will defend at least New Moon. . .have yet to see Twilight.
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Post by labael on Jan 5, 2010 16:29:33 GMT -5
Correction not Moonlight but the other one that was based on WoD (SyFy daywalking vamps)
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Post by rjrock85 on Jan 5, 2010 18:18:07 GMT -5
The Kindred?
There was only one daywalker, and he was a Ventrue with a high Fortitude.
In Vampire: the Masquerade, if you had a high enough Fortitude Discipline you could exist for short periods of time in the daylight. Nowhere near "Oooo I'm sparkly" and tiptoeing through the daylight. You always had the clock ticking in the back of your mind.
Off topic: It may have changed its name to SyFy but I find the name revolting and pandering, it will always the The SciFi Channel to me.
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Lady Masquerade
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Look into my eyes. Do you see who I see?
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Post by Lady Masquerade on Jan 5, 2010 18:20:17 GMT -5
Wow... what a response to what I thought was just a funny spoof. My mind is too scrambled to make any "arguments" at the moment, so I'll just sit back and bask in the aura of "anti-Twilight". It's so pretty.
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Post by reigneer on Jan 5, 2010 22:16:04 GMT -5
I am in complete agreement with the off topic comment of what is now "syfy" Gah it will always be Scifi! I miss the old commercials for it too. like the woman who touched the cactus and exploded. or the butterfly walls.
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Post by Drozgul on Jan 6, 2010 4:30:54 GMT -5
Wow... what a response to what I thought was just a funny spoof. My mind is too scrambled to make any "arguments" at the moment, so I'll just sit back and bask in the aura of "anti-Twilight". It's so pretty. The aura is a nice, warm, almost smoldering deep blue. It hinges on the outline of the argument, but does not overcome it. Not at all like a "glistening" that one might see as a twi-mom would point out. mmm...I too shall bask. Forgive my closed-mindedness, but the last time someone suggested I watch a vamp-based series it was TrueBlood. And frankly, it probably was okay, but as soon as it became over romantic, I lost all feeling in my frontal lobe. I am just so tired of pop media feeling like romance is the only way to sell copies or tickets. Especially when the primary characters are vicious, vile, and insidious. I know, I know, I do enjoy a good romance story, I do. But I also know a good story can be told without it as well. Love is a powerful entity to use to grab attention. So milk it for its money's worth. Regrettably, even the story I am writing is likely to be at least mildly romantic from one point of view, but not likely from person to person, but in describing the passion held within the primal focus of the leading characters. We'll see how that turns out. It may be wrong to be closed-minded about it, but it eats my soul to think of the story having any merit as likable. That's right, eats my soul. This is the same EXACT reason I have yet to actually read the Anita Blake series. And I actually LIKED the idea of that one. But as always, they became "beefcake" novels. I think the above poster is good. The one for Brokeback Mountain 2 was very good, also check out (fake) Gilligan's Island.
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Post by labael on Jan 6, 2010 9:49:17 GMT -5
Off the topic: Ya the Sci Fi to SyFy has an abomination to me and I have done my best to boycott that channel (if it's on and I didn't put it on well I'm not going to leave the room).
I'm sure I also saw a Nos out in the day time. And that Gangrel that wanted the prince dead attacked during the day. Fairly certain.
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Post by labael on Jan 6, 2010 9:59:14 GMT -5
True, I believe the Twilight movies are over hyped but the amount of hatred we give is unduly deserved. The acting didn't make me cringe like in some movies. I didn't feel the movie had that fake quality. New Moon is emo. I will give it that. After main vamp dumps main chick, she goes into emo screamer mode. The movies aren't for everyone.
Now take your focus from the main characters. The surrounding cast were my main interest. I found those characters to have more life and humor than the main story. I have always like a good supporting cast and New Moon at the least had that.
I will also state that the movie is not the best thing I've ever seen. It far from it. It was a surprise to me I enjoyed it.
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Post by labael on Jan 6, 2010 10:07:32 GMT -5
Romance is the only way to sell tickets. . . I suppose all recent movies do have a little romance in them. Terminator had b/n Blood Goodmoon and the T-800, Sherlock had Holmes and the woman. . .Shrek had, Rent had, Chipmunks does, bet Avatar does, Leap year is, Frog Princess is, Eli might, Meet the Morgans is, Legion might, Youth in Revolt might,. . .yep romance has over saturated our media. I am hard pressed to not find one. Thomas the tankengine. . .there we go. No romance there.
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Post by rjrock85 on Jan 6, 2010 17:06:57 GMT -5
To be fair, in those movies how many of them focused on the Romance. Yes, many movies will have love interests in them because that's the way the world works. But if that love interest isn't a main focus, as it is in the Twilight series, then it really can't be called a Romance film and if it's not the focus then it isn't the selling point to get people in the seats.
Avatar is a great example of a Romantic Action Flick...its an action movie that has a great amount of its focus on the romance between the giant smurf chick and the smurf-human hybrid remote controlled robot. It sold tickets for several reasons, its an action flick with all kinds of kewl eye candy and the story of discovering love amongst an "enemy" a la dances with wolves. Haven't seen the movie yet and probably won't until it comes out on DVD, I've seen the smurfs and I've seen Dances With Wolves and Titanic...so its not on my priorities list.
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Fenix
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Post by Fenix on Jan 7, 2010 0:44:17 GMT -5
Funny thing is that I have seen Avatar and don't consider it a Romance action flick, yes their is a romance story in there but I didn't see that as the main focus And when you break it down almost every movie can be a similar movie to another in some manner. I personally view Avatar as a scifi western.
But hey going back to Twilight, you need bad movies to make the better ones stand out that much more.
i view it as the Nsync of movies, girls think its pretty and in the end most of the members will come out of the closest.
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