rlandis
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Post by rlandis on Feb 10, 2010 23:42:20 GMT -5
As you know, I follow the pattern of a man who thinks in the future.
I shall craft my plan now. . .
Soon, Fenix. . . Soon, great shame and/or pain shall befall you, beset by my hand. . .
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Post by Fenix on Feb 11, 2010 11:30:35 GMT -5
Uhuh, sure you wil. I is so worried.
The forums have hit a bit of a slump here, so I figured a decent argument/fight is in order to bring back a little life
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Post by rlandis on Feb 13, 2010 11:33:28 GMT -5
Snow does that... slows the system.
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Post by Fenix on Feb 18, 2010 1:38:20 GMT -5
Snow is fine, it's even good. But for some reason as soon as it starts to snow people become retarded while driving. After a heavy snow keeping one's hard earned parking spot is like a second job.
Snow is fun, but word of advice. Don't eat the yellow snow
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Post by rlandis on Mar 1, 2010 9:54:13 GMT -5
I had to peg Rusty's balls with an iceball for take'n my parking spot. . .
Bastard.
I was clever, he was sitting on the chair, eating ceral. . . I walked into the house, and pegged him with the slushy snow ball. . .
Victory was mine. He attempted to throw the snow ball back, it hit my arm and bounced off.
When he wasn't look'n I sneaked the Snow ball into the back pocket of his work pants.
Later he discovred the nearly all melted snow ball and tried to smear what was left on my chair, but it sort of failed since most of it was melted.
Never take a man's parking spot, he will snow ball your balls.
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Post by Fenix on Mar 12, 2010 23:39:04 GMT -5
Or if you have the time just cover his car with the snow that is beside the spot. While yes its more work, watching the intruder dig his/her car out is very satisfactory.
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Post by Fenix on Mar 16, 2010 23:40:32 GMT -5
I would have mentioned this on the other topic but felt that it was not suited for that topic flow. Landis who is Felix?? Is he your new lover?? I thought you were gonna be a airman, not a semen.
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Post by Fenix on Mar 25, 2010 10:49:25 GMT -5
Well Landis looks like you will get your wish of big brother telling you what to do and knowing everything you do. With that health care being passed I can only see a downward spiral for this country now. Its only a matter of time now
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Post by Drozgul on Mar 25, 2010 18:18:28 GMT -5
It's yummy isn't it? The very idea of them hiring on tens of thousands of IRS now that your tax paperwork is more crucial than ever. Hiring healthcare representatives, who are less qualified than an LPN to perform wellness visits to ask about your usage and enjoyment of the new reform. More insurance agents working for less companies.
Through this whole idea the ONLY positive I see is more jobs. But with it come more monopoly money, more unpredictable debt for future generations, and less people working for a living because the government has given them so much, the words ethics and economics have no meaning. Oh yeah, I nearly forgot the cost to the American taxpayer (you remember him, the one who works for a living and ultimately pays for all this crap) is still stuck (if he remains honest) making all this possible. So much for the plan recreate the middle class, blue collar boys. He's been made a slave to the system, who like every other slave in history, could easily collapse a way of life should he regain his freedom.
So yeah, congratulations!
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Post by rjrock85 on Mar 26, 2010 5:36:27 GMT -5
Its nearing the time where Atlas should shrug and watch the world enter the free fall without his support. If only it wouldn't be so catastrophic and that all the Atlases had the conviction to just shrug, then a real lesson could be learned rather quickly.
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Post by rlandis on Apr 14, 2010 9:31:26 GMT -5
Have any of you actually read the thing? Fox news has it half right.
The system is going to work just like food stamps, welfare, ect. ect. Aid for the poor, it doesn't cover everyone. Only one part does, we will get to that later.
For 4 years we will be taxed indirectly, savings accounts and trust funds will be taxed, but it will not come directly from your paycheck.
In 2014 we will set it up for THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE health insurence to have a minor health program to aid them incase of major illness.
The bill is Budjet Neutral for 20 years. Won't increase or decrease the debt. BUT AFTER THE 20 its anyone's game!!! It could work out, or it could flop, adding to the debt. See ya in 20 years to find the result of that.
Now, there is one thing I HATE about it, This is the thing that hits EVERYONE. A direct tax in the form of $500+ fine or so if you do not have Health Insurance. Now, this is a direct violation of the Constitution, we can't have a DIRECT GOVERMENT tax. Now, the state can tax you for the Goverment, but the Goverment cannot directly tax you. There is only Two approved direct taxes that exist currently, this bill will make three.
Anyone, I'll post more tonight!
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Post by rjrock85 on Apr 14, 2010 17:40:22 GMT -5
Everyone (well actually only the 50% that actually pay taxes) pays for 4 years, but not even the (I believe overestimated) 30 million people who don't have Health Insurance will receive the benefit. That doesn't seem right, paying for something that no one is receiving.
Whether or not we are taxed directly is beside the point, what is in our savings was once on our paychecks. The program also seems pretty damned expensive to fund a minor health insurance program for less than a tenth of the population, some of whom chose not to have health insurance so they can shift money to other priorities others chose to suckle from the teat of the government when they could be making something of themselves. Now for that small percentage that actually need aid, aid them, but do it in a way that doesn't cost a conservative estimate of a trillion dollars.
What is the government track record on budget estimates? How can we be so sure that this monstrosity will actually be budget neutral? I don't feel like looking up the statistics, but just about every government program when initially proposed has far outrun its estimated cost in a matter of years.
The funny thing about the fine is that if it only applies to those without health insurance than its adversely effecting the very people this bill is proposing to help. Funny, that.
Oh well, Constitutionality is overrated in our government these days.
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Post by rlandis on Apr 14, 2010 21:19:57 GMT -5
NOW! Let me make this a bit clear. As someone who does enjoy the idea of Militant Social Ideals as well as Strong Capitalist ideas, I find the current bill a "mute" point. (I'd prefer to hold a Early Fascist government that Italy had before Muso became a dick. In Short, a Government that promotes Nationalism and gives the country the Majority of its jobs either directly or indirectly. The only time the Government steps in is if you break a law or if your cutting back on your taxes. Mostly how it was for us in the 50s when you think about it.)
Even I, someone who is in truth pretty moderate and down the middle on such issues as Health care (I normally only care about bigger issues that draw my attention), feel this bill has too many holes.
I feel he had the right intentions, but I don't see this becoming a saving grace that will carry his name to fame.
I enjoyed the idea of the bill, still do, but I find the bill in ITS CURRENT STATE in need of HEAVY re working as well as to be put off till LATER!
When money is low, DON'T SPEND IT ON THINGS YOU DON'T NEED Or things that won't help in the long run!
If this was the 90's, I'd say hell yeah, do it!
But right now, we NEED to spend money on Stimulating the Econ', not share the wealth! THERES NO WEALTH TO SHARE!
Hell, take the pages right out of the book of strong Socialist movements, Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, Mao', even the French Frogs, have NEVER ever started off with Health Care. Health is a MINOR issue, and slamming 6 year old kids down my throat will not make me feel sorry their parents died, and because of such death that I should join a band wagon that doesn't even have a horse to pull it!
What STRONG movements do in the name of reform and socialism is "MAKE JOBS" Lots of jobs, normally in the Militant form or the construction form! See, Social reforms normally mean your money comes from the GOVERNMENT! (Big shock!) Normally, For doing things FOR THE GOVERNMENT! (Bigger shock!) Hand outs were never even GIVEN in Germany, Italy, Russia, your ass had to WORK! The original idea of Socialism was "Work for the community, get paid by the community!"
The Government, if they wish to reform and do a quick stimulant to the Economy, needs to do what they have been doing. (YES! Oddly, Social reforms in the past used CAPITALISM TO THEIR FAVOR! MY GOD! WHAT A SHOCK!) Governments work on "credit" so even in a social Government, big businesses rule. Now, what governments did in the past to spark life as well as what they should do now in this current situation is tell/force those big businesses who have the money to shell out that if they jump on the boat, they get benefits down the road. The big businesses then give their money to a Third party working for the Government with strict orders on how to use thus money. (Normally these third parties are small time businessmen starting out. Take Schinler's list as a perfect example, thats how the Nazi party began its Socialist movement as well as fueled its war machine. Stalin and later Russian leaders took from the same book. Build big with lots of small workers.) Simple road works or factory jobs are thus created and Simple jobs that the MASSES can do are available. You all remember the masses right? The normal average joe who does things? Well, as long as joe has two arms and legs, he can lift a pick axe or a shovel! Physical labor and jobs, though mundane, are the FIRST step to building up a broken empire. Yes many will suffer, yes many will have to scrape together a few pennies to get along, but they will have A JOB as well as a job that builds our foundations for future growth. In the past we called this labor slave labor, now days we call it minimum wage labor! Once our FOUNDATION has been built on the blood and sweat of the masses, we can promote the masses to work in thus newly created buildings. Now, whether you make this building for bomb production or telemarketing, I don't care, principal is the same.
Socialism needs first to have common jobs available to everyone! THEN once the jobs are made and money starts going between the people, the people's businesses and then finally back to the Government, can you then spend it on Social programs like Health Care, ect. ect. ect.
That was my rant, I'll most likely toss a few more comments later tomorrow during class. As always folks, free game for Comments, concerns, calculations, and criticism!
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Post by Drozgul on Apr 14, 2010 21:56:10 GMT -5
I find it funny that Landis of all people has been advocating this bill. At first I thought it was just to have something to talk about. Also funny was I thought I was done with this arguement, but then I was indirectly accused two posts ago of riding the Fox News brain-wave-wash; and thus the fire has been re-ignited. Fox "News" pisses me off about as much as the guy who supposes I watch it, and almost as much as the boss I have who suggests I don't ever need a better job with benefits because not only does she actually believe that the economy has collapsed and that I "need" my current job, but also because my insurance worries (according to her) are nothing to bother about now that our savior liberalists has bailed out our health.
Could it be you're not worried about it because you've selected a military career that could potentially remove you from seeing it's effects on America? Could it be you're simply standing guard for a family who needs this sort of trickle down government breast feeding? Are you SERIOUSLY okay with having your money taxed at all for a program you yourself are not that likely to use or need? Why, why, why, why, WHY is it okay to watch people who are already struggling struggle harder?
The ability of our nations representatives to alter the laws that affect "We the People" seem to always manage to somehow not affect those who propose or pass these very same laws and yet you support them? It is utterly amazing to me.
If all you want is to see a flooding revolution and that is the tie to your advocation, fine. If you really need this bill and support it because you're incapable of anything better than holding your empty hand out, fine. If you are one of the people who are unable to help themselves in any such way and your family won't even try to support you a length of time to rehabilitate to be useful to society again and require Uncle Obama's crutch, fine.
Oh yeah, and IF the bill actually planned to help the above named categories above, then fine.
But I hardly think you qualify, and you may think it's not so bad now cause it hasn't affected your house, your home, your family, but it threatens to kill above named articles pertaining to me and mine. It threatens to consider AGE a pre-existing condition where other supposedly unfair ones are removed from articulation. Tell me what I have to gain from it that I could not have acquired better on my own according to the choices I see fit for MY family. Go ahead.
The choices to be made are being removed from the hands of those who feed their families and are being manipulated into a system that will reformat an already structured society and standardize everyone do that equal rights has a whole new meaning. And not in that freedom, aptitude, and merit opportunity that exists now. If you really want it that bad, buy yourself insurance that costs that much and works the same way, but leave me my bill of rights that allows me the opportunities ala carte as I still need them for me. Don't take from my family to feed yours. I'll be happy to share as long as it's not stolen from me. Just ask. Take or steal, and it's eye for an eye in the biblical sense. Mark my words.
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Post by Drozgul on Apr 14, 2010 22:03:03 GMT -5
Oh and by the way, stimulating the economy is fine, as long as they find a new way. Why the hell is Washington cutting checks to anyone? ANYONE? WHY? stop cutting people fake money, it just raises the price of milk you ridiculous waste of space (Washington still)!
That's all.
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